Hi, I'm Mick

[pErvinalia]

That's still a naturalistic fallacy. Why is a "natural end", whatever that is, relevant to anything at all?

Why isn't it? The "naturalistic fallacy" is not a law of physics or nature you know, although you refer to it as if it is the ultimate rebuttal to any sort of "is/ought" issue.

You seem to be totally clueless of logic. I'm not making an assertion. Mick (and you) are making the assertions. It's up to you to provide evidence and reasoning for them, or continue to be dismissed as wibblers.

Catholic doctrine holds that a "natural end" is preferable to artificial means when it comes to procreation. This doctrine is based on Catholic belief with respect to the commandments of God about sexuality and its proper and moral use.

There's no evidence for God. Why should I give a shit what a bunch of hypocrites (the Catholic leadership) think of anything??

Empirically speaking, the laws of the United States, ratified by the Supreme Court have regulated the expression of sexuality in society as a fundamental part of social order. The reasoning that has prevailed since well before the formation of the US (by thousands of years) is that unrestrained sexuality is harmful to society and particularly harmful to the stable family unit, which is extremely harmful to the society as a whole,

Where's your evidence for this?

Regulation of sexual practice has been a matter deemed suitable for government regulation for a very, very long time, and whatever your or my opinion it is within the purview of government to regulate such practices. (I disagree with that, but that's another argument)

What does this have to do with "natural laws" and the like??

[pErvinalia]

You are free to present evidence for the non-existence of god here. So far you haven't even entered the game.

Read the thread. We've been over this. This is just more rhetorical dodge-ball. If you make the claim, it's up to you to provide evidence for it.

I made no claim, your side did. I did not say "God exists" or "God does not exist,"

You must be a theist to make this argument. Only theists are this clueless. Where did anyone say that god does not exist??

[pErvinalia]

Still no evidence for your god, then?

I posted a link to my argument.

Mick, you do know that even if you posted everything you've ever written, and everything ever written by any philosopher or theologian throughout history these numbnut would simply ignore and dismiss all of it because they can't put it under a microscope and dissect it with a scalpel. They suffer from poverty of imagination in the extreme, so you and I are just poking them to watch them scream and throw poo at the glass in impotent fury at the idea that we won't bow down and worship THEIR god; the god of secularism.

They will never, ever present a reasoned and reasonable argument even if you post the most erudite and carefully logical defense of your thesis, they will just harangue you, insult you, dismiss you and ignore you because they don't have the wit to do more.

Nice trolling. Problem for you is that no one here falls for it. Keep wasting electrons..

[pErvinalia]

As an agnostic I make no claim one way or another regarding the existence of any god, but until credible evidence turns up that one exists I lack a belief in its existence.

Now THAT is a rational response.

That makes me functionally an atheist. Elsewhere in this forum I have given an example of the sort of evidence that would persuade me that a god exists, so I don't think furnishing credible evidence for the existence of a supernatural being is an impossible task. It just has not been forthcoming at this stage.

And I agree with you.

Then you should agree with all of us. If you weren't such a pathetic troll you would realise we all hold this position.

[FBM]

Since we're talking about catlicks:

Pope Francis says he opposes making recreational drugs legal

I guess the opiate of the dumbasses doesn't want the competition.

[FBM]

Dis catlick dood is teh awesomes!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HnbXrjmuQ#t=145[/youtube]

[tattuchu]

Dis catlick dood is teh awesomes!

It's a spoof, right? I mean, he can't be serious

[FBM]

Dis catlick dood is teh awesomes!

It's a spoof, right? I mean, he can't be serious

I thought he was a POE, too, at first, but he has a string of Youtube vids on related things. I don't think he's a a POE. I think he's a catlick tinfoil hat wearer. I may be proven wrong, mind you, but I don't think I will.

[Hermit]

No way is this not a parody.

[PsychoSerenity]

Dis catlick dood is teh awesomes!

It's a spoof, right? I mean, he can't be serious

Watching that I feel like I've lost a significant portion of my IQ to satanic patterns everywhere!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Nothing supernatural has happened, EVER!

(I got that from a genuine pixie, so you know it's true. )

[Tero]

I was feeling a bit supernatural this morning. But then I had to go to work.

[macdoc]

You couldn't send the doppelganger??

[Tero]

I'm just lacking in imagination all around!

[Agi Hammerthief]

Dis catlick dood is teh awesomes!

[youtube]

I think the devil dude in carneval costume to the left is a giveway that it's a POE