and does having a clubfoot makes it so that society dictates how these people SHOULD behave?Mick wrote:I can quickly address this.Babel wrote:Or why it's unnatural even if it happens in nature. Or aren't we part of nature, making all our actions natural by definition?rEvolutionist wrote:Why don't you try and explain it without the salad?
Quite simply, what does something being natural have anything to do with how one should behave?
We can't equivocate on the meanings here. Clubfoot is a natural occurrence, some natural defect of a sort. It is natural in the sense that it isn't manmade or artificial, that it happens to be an organic defect or occurrence. However, in another sense, in the sense of Aristotle's philosophy, clubfoot is unnatural; it is disordered. By this we mean that it doesn't conform to the way a human ought to be, according to his form and the finality of his foot. This is what allows for us to call it a defect in the first place. We err when we conflate the two senses.
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This is all nonsense anyway. There is no "finality of form" in the natural world. All forms are constantly changing.
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I didn't infer that there was no evidence. I just think that there is none. Put another way, I consider its possibility of existence to be extremely tiny. Surely, if there were compelling evidence for the existence of a god (or gods) that would stand up to robust scrutiny, the theist community would be eager to present it at any possible opportunity. That they don't, speaks volumes. All we have are endless appeals to the emotions, pathetic attempts to undermine Darwin's theories and subjective personal testimonies.Mick wrote:Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I think there is no evidence for god because I have never seen any. Care to enlighten me?Mick wrote:Right after you post reasons to think that there is no evidence for God.FBM wrote:I guess this means we don't get any evidence for god(s).Mick wrote:Yup.
Moving on...
I've never seen aliens. Does this fact allow me to infer that there are none?
As for aliens, we can extrapolate on our knowledge of the emergence of life on Earth to infer that there is a fair chance of something similar happening on a similar planet elsewhere. Thus, given the huge number of stars and planets out there, I consider the possibility of them existing (somewhere) to be orders of magnitude higher than the chance of a theist ever showing proof for god!
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Hi, Vaz. It is just like RS in here, with all of these members. We just need Thommo here to agree with everything you say and then this place will be indistinguishable from RS.VazScep wrote:What's your opinion on cybernetic augmentation, Mick, and transhumanism?
I've not looked into those things deeply enough to comment, Vaz. What sort of things are involved?
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Easy there, Heraclitus.rEvolutionist wrote:This is all nonsense anyway. There is no "finality of form" in the natural world. All forms are constantly changing.
Why think as you do?
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Study some science first Mick come back when you get past the skydaddy shite.
You get no traction here....just heaps of ridicule.
You get no traction here....just heaps of ridicule.
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I'm not sure what you're expecting here We're generally a lot more laid back than RS, but this is after all an atheist forumMick wrote: Hi, Vaz. It is just like RS in here, with all of these members. We just need Thommo here to agree with everything you say and then this place will be indistinguishable from RS.
People think "queue" is just "q" followed by 4 silent letters.
But those letters are not silent.
They're just waiting their turn.
But those letters are not silent.
They're just waiting their turn.
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Study some philosophy first, macdoc.macdoc wrote:Study some science first Mick come back when you get past the skydaddy shite.
You get no traction here....just heaps of ridicule.
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I have a degree in philosphy Mick....do you?
Bullshit doesn't cut it here.
Want to understand something useful start with Alfred North Whitehead....
Take the biblical crap and go bother the nuns
Bullshit doesn't cut it here.
Want to understand something useful start with Alfred North Whitehead....
Take the biblical crap and go bother the nuns
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Yes, I do.macdoc wrote:I have a degree in philosphy Mick....do you?
Bullshit doesn't cut it here.
Want to understand something useful start with Alfred North Whitehead....
Take the biblical crap and go bother the nuns
You should ask for your money back.
Nowhere did I refer to the Bible; and so I am left wondering what you're taking about.
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If not from the bible, where do you infer the existence of a theological being from?
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well then your philo shite is about as good as your catholicism t'would appear.
Nowhere did I refer to the Bible; and so I am left wondering what you're taking about.
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Did you not get enough money under the pillow from the tooth fairy Mick...shortchanged on your degree I guess. Let me guess seminary ?
Get a life....like really...
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Sorry Mick, we are simple atheist folk here. We don't have the imagination for this magical stuff. We can just about "get" Harry Potter.
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You aware of the history? There is a common membership because most of these posters (myself included) were originally members of a forum hosted on Richard Dawkins' site. Dawkins very abruptly shut the whole thing down as part of what became a colossal clusterfuck that has left a lot of internet atheists (TM) still very pissed off at the guy.Mick wrote:Hi, Vaz. It is just like RS in here, with all of these members.
There was a panic trying to establish a new forum for the refugees. As might be expected in the chaos of such social upheaval, they ended up with two new forums: rationalia and rationalskepticism. Rationalia is the sillier of the two, and hence would have been my preference, but it just doesn't have as much traffic.
I thought my interactions with Thommo were largely based on very technical banter with which you either agree or you are just wrong. I think we tend to politely ignore each other outside of that. If I'm collecting sycophants, I'm not trolling hard enough. And by "trolling", I mean the original and dignified usenet version, not the fucking meaningless bullshit term it has become today.We just need Thommo here to agree with everything you say and then this place will be indistinguishable from RS.
It exists entirely in the imaginations of sci-fi nerds, which makes it difficult to encapsulate. You probably couldn't go too wrong starting with the very excellent novels of Greg Egan, such as Permutation City.I've not looked into those things deeply enough to comment, Vaz. What sort of things are involved?
For the etymology: the "trans" in "transhumanism" implies transcending humanity. For example, it might consist of someone deciding to hack off their arm to replace it with something more useful to them, such as an egg whisk, with the amputee regarding their doctor's opinions on self-mutilation to be grossly out-dated, and garnered in a time before the moderns discovered the exquisite culinary science of omelette making. What do you say to such people? There's shit loads of them on the website lesswrong.
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I did not study biology, but just by looking at shit I can hazard a pretty good guess about which animal it came from.Mick wrote:Nowhere did I refer to the Bible; and so I am left wondering what you're taking about.
* my (modified) emphasis ( or 'interpretation' )
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the goldisch rule:
don't do, of which you don't want to be accused of doing.
when you chop off your neighbours head and use it as a vase, you can call it 'culture'.
it's called civilisation is when this gets you jailed for the rest of your live.
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