PZ accuses Shermer of rape.

[laklak]

I blame sobriety for that.

Sobriety is highly overrated and should be avoided on principle.

[Audley Strange]

It is a very serious subject and a very serious accusation. The way he and his coterie of cunts bandy it about, you would think they were saying "OMG! Shermer's like a total man slut!" But they are not, they are accusing him of being a repeated rapist, a really fucking harsh defamation that can ruin lives and families in the same way a rape can like it was schoolyard gossip rather than possible one of the worst crimes imaginable. What's more, I do not believe he is genuine in anyway. He is causing controversy for blog hits, (which I will NEVER give the fucker) he's like a whore, or someone that injures themselves for insurance money. It is nasty exploitative and frankly sickening.

Don't get me wrong, he has every right to his free speech. Speech is always free, that cannot be stopped, but the ramifications can be costly. He and his coterie of cunts have made skeptic conventions sound like rape camps in which poor unsuspecting girls are forced to obey every whim of the high priests. I truly hope he suffers for what he has done.

[Audley Strange]

It would be startling hubris, even by PZ standards.

I disagree, I think the only thing that made him relevant was his "courtiers reply" which itself is a bit ropey but interesting since he was obviously aware of it as a function of his own behaviour. He's always been really hubristic, his fantasy, in which he, the hero, gets tickles of his saggy old withered ball sack by some grateful damsel in distress makes him more so. He's always been a blindinly arrogant and contemptuous fucker.

[pErvinalia]

Any response from Shermer yet?

[charlou]

If he's had legal advice, he may not be going to make a public statement, but rather let his legal reps/the court deal with it. Just a thought.

[laklak]

Maybe he's just ignoring it, the way my Lab ignores yapping Chihuahuas.

[DaveDodo007]

Well Fuckwitticca Pharnycommitacus Nerd of Redhead says that if a women consents and then changes her mind in the morning it is rape. The rest of the femanazis think saying hello or looking is sexual assault so by their standards what they are doing is righteous and all holy. I would say the mind boggles but after reading some of that thread my brain has melted and seeped out of my ears. I really don't know how these retards survive reality. Actually I don't know how the operate doors. How do they not get punched in the face regularly, I mean I'm not a violent man (total lie) but if I was ever to meet any of them I would have to, out of common decency, punch them in the face. I would have to keep punching them in the face as it would be rude not to. Even as the flesh was worn from my fists and all I had was boney fingers I would be compelled to keep hitting them in the face. Anyway that's enough fap porn from me tonight. Bye.

[pErvinalia]

[Robert_S]

So a couple more stories got added, both anonymous.

Further corroboration: a witness has come forward. This person has asked to remain anonymous too, but I will say they’re someone who doesn’t particularly like me — so no accusations of fannishness, OK?

The anonymous woman who wrote to you is known to me, and in fact I was in her presence immediately after said incident (she was extremely distraught), and when she told the management of the conference (some time later).

Women are still writing into me with their personal stories. This one isn’t so awful, but it’s mainly illustrative of his tactics…there’s nothing here that would form the basis of any kind of serious complaint, but most importantly, I think, it tells you exactly what kind of behavior to watch out for with him.

Michael Shermer was the guest of honor at an atheist event I attended in Fall 2006; I was on the Board of the group who hosted it. It’s a very short story: I got my book signed, then at the post-speech party, Shermer chatted with me at great length while refilling my wine glass repeatedly. I lost count of how many drinks I had. He was flirting with me and I am non-confrontational and unwilling to be rude, so I just laughed it off. He made sure my wine glass stayed full.

And that’s the entirety of my story: Michael Shermer helped get me drunker than I normally get, and was a bit flirty. I can’t recall the details because I was intoxicated. I don’t remember how I left, but I am told that a friend took me away from the situation and home from the party. Note, I’d never gotten drunk at any atheist event before; I was humiliated by having gotten so drunk and even more ashamed that my friends had to cart me off before anything happened to me.

But I had a bad taste in my mouth about Shermer’s flirtatiousness, because I’m married, and I thought he was kind of a pig. I didn’t even keep his signed book, I didn’t want it near me.

Over the years as rumors have flown about atheist women warning each other about a lecherous author/speaker, I thought of all the authors and speakers I had met during my time as an atheist activist, and I guessed that Shermer was the one being warned against.

Now there are tweets and blogs about his sexually inappropriate behavior as well as his fondness for getting chicks drunk, so I feel quite less alone. I don’t think he realizes he is doing anything wrong. Men who behave inappropriately sexually never think they are doing anything wrong.

I have mixed feelings about your grenade-dropping. I have heard arguments both for and against what you did. Whether or not I agree with it, I just want to say that the accusations against Shermer match up with my personal experience with him, insofar as he seemed hellbent on helping me get drunk, and was very flirty with me. Take it for what you will. I believe the accusers.

[Daedalus]

How exactly do you get someone drunk beyond what they want to be? Seems kind of mindless to me.

I'd add, being a pig is a rather fry cry from being a rapist.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Oh noes!1!!! He might give you free dirnks!!1! Watch out!

[laklak]

I'm always up for free drinks. Does he fancy smelly old men, do you think?

[hadespussercats]

It wasn't as though he mixed a drink extra-strong, or slipped in a roofie. ?

[rachelbean]

Seriously? He kept refilling her wine glass (which she kept emptying) and flirted with her (while she laughed, which would seem like encouragement to most people). I am completely confused about what he was supposed to have done wrong. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions

[Daedalus]

Just sounds like the excuse of someone who can't leave a full glass on the table... I'm not impressed.